Posted by on Nov 16 2016 (updated on Nov 18 2016) in. Did you notice what the mention, at? Those are the (finalized?) client UI names! Yep, get ready for this: Components of VMware vSphere 6.5, including vCenter Server, ESXi, the vSphere Web Client, the vSphere Client, and the vSphere Host Client do not accept non-ASCII input. Let's reformat that:. vCenter Server. ESXi.
vSphere Web Client. vSphere Client. vSphere Host Client Yeah, we're stuck with vSphere Web Client for a while longer, since the vSphere Client functionality is not all there yet, details here:. Updated on: 15 November 2016 vSphere Client 6.5 15 NOVEMBER 2016 ISO Build 4564106 The Unsupported Functionality table documents the vSphere Web Client workflow functionality not available in the vSphere Client at the release of VMware vSphere 6.5. Any vSphere Web Client functionality not documented in this table is supported in the vSphere Client at release. Check periodically for updates to the Unsupported Functionality table.
#rant start Interested in my original piece about this transitional state we're still stuck in? See:. May 18 2016 # rant end Going forward, I continue to try to avoid any videos that feature the relatively sluggish vSphere Web client, to reduce obsolescence, and because the HTML5 UIs are much more pleasant and faster to use. Sure wish VMware development dollars were directed at dumping Adobe Flash/Flex earlier. We'll get there, fewer better UIs, but we're just not quite there yet.
Oh yeah,.the C# client (AKA Desktop Client/thick client/vSphere Client for Windows) will not be available for the next version of vSphere? True, no 6.5 version of it exists for download at the usual. But guess what? The VMware vSphere Client 6.0 Update 2 still works! That doesn't mean it is supported, or that you should use it, given a lot of the newest and most innovative features can't be configured with it.
But at least VMware doesn't block you from logging in and using it, I suppose to appease customers with mixed environments, at least for a while longer. It only works connected to ESXi 6.5, won't connect to VCSA, seen below. Yes, that's vSphere Client 6.0.0.6826 for Windows logged in to an ESXi 6.5 build 4564106 host. Yes, that's vSphere Client 6.0.0.6826 for Windows, failing to log in to the same ESXi 6.5 build 4564106 host.
VMware vSphere 6.5 taskbar shortcuts can make your Chrome browser UIs look like native Windows apps! Have you noticed what happens when you point your browser to the VCSA appliance? Yeah, multiple options, with the cling to Flash disclosed in that first link for the still-needed vSphere Web Client. At least they explained it, and made it easy to launch from there. The big news is that the is now baked right into the VCSA 6.5 appliance, seen as the second link below. This is MUCH less clumsy than the standalone appliance you had to configure for the 6.0 compatible version. Days since prior VMware release So fingers crossed that VMware rips off this bandaid as soon as possible and gets the HTML5 UI fully equipped to handle all vSphere functions as quickly as possible, without making us wait for the next major release (vSphere 7.0?).
I say this because of the cadence of late. Probably wishful thinking, but one can always hope. Comments Share your feelings about this transitional state we're in below! Don't miss reading about the UI purgatory that Reuben Farrelly is stuck in with his. I appreciate that VMware explains that two UIs are needed for accessing vSphere, for now. All my videos and screenshots will use the HTML5 UI, whenever possible.
Apr 02 2016.and two very popular articles that came out within a few hours of the download's availability:. Mar 16 2016. Mar 16 2016. May 19 2016 by Duncan Epping at Yellow-Bricks. May 18 2016 by Dennis Lu at VMware Blogs. Disclaimer Emphasis is on home test labs, not production environments.
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All I want in this fucking life is to add a few datastores to the vsc backup job. 4 fucking clicks on the normal client! But what a joy, you can't use the normal client with vsc anymore and you are forced to the web class client. 30 minutes later it finally logs in and I can access the back up job, click edit and it never opens. 90 long fucking minutes I am trying to do what took 4 clicks on the normal client. I still can't do it, I'm reading commands for the vsc powershell to try and work around the shit web client.
I seriously can't understand how retarded can you be and force your clients to work with a shit web client, The only feature the web client has is a rope to hang myself with EDIT: Thanks for popping my gold fellow hater of shit web clients! Leaps and bounds better than the 5.5 HTML client? Leaps and bounds better than the fat client?
They started pushing us to the new management product LONG before it achieved feature parity, and they still haven't achieved feature parity, YEARS later (while still saying 'We're working on it! The whole thing smacks of mismanagement of resources and quite possibly the worst 'rush to deliver, patch in features later' that I have ever seen. The fact is they're still wallpapering over it means that not only are they unwilling to address the internal problems that lead to these decisions.
And, they've done it well enough that some of us are happily telling the rest of us how lucky we are to be basically beta testers on our production equipment for such an awesome company. Forgive me, but that's just more than I can swallow. The phased/partial rollout of the new HTML5 based vSphere Client is trying to adhere to 'agile' software development philosophies. The intention is two things primarily: 1) provide value to users sooner rather than later, even if it's partial 2) gather customer feedback about those delivered features incrementally, rather than spending X years building something that may be wrong This is a massive change to the way VMware has developed in the past, and this is a very common direction for many software companies nowadays. We can comfortably say that all the customer feedback we've gotten from the Fling has definitely altered our priorities and helped us deliver more value to users. This is why we keep encouraging customers to use the latest versions, including the Fling, so we can get more feedback. We understand that there is a large segment of the userbase that cannot cover 100% of their time with the vSphere Client in 6.5.0b or the Fling , and that many of those users will choose not to adopt it until it hits 100%.
Adobe photoshop for windows 10 full version. But every user that starts using it now and provides feedback will help.
Hi I'm new to VMware Can someone explain the difference between vSphere Web Client and vCenter installed on Windows, they seem to be using the same thing on web browser? Is the difference only the vMotion from vCenter and Clustering? It looks like they are both web based am i correct? I'm confused how does vCenter Server Appliance differs on vCenter server Installed on windows.
I know that the vCenter Server Installed on Windows is vCenter on top of Windows OS, is vCenter Server Appliance is standalone and installed on a bare hardware alone? I think you're getting a bit confused here. There are two options for VCentre - On windows or on an appliance, the VCentre install on Windows is largely end of life so you're better off installing the appliance.
As for the thick client (Sometimes called the C# client or the installable client), that is also end of life. Now, there are also two web clients - the flash version that has all the functionality of the thick client and is horrible to use and the HTML 5 client which has 80% or so of all the functionality of the flash version and is simply gorgeous and lovely. To complicate things further - the HTML 5 client is only available on VCentre 6.5, it's possible to use on 6.0 via fling (VMware beta type software). It is not possible to use on 5.5 which only has the flash client. In short, move to 6.5, install the VCSA appliance and use the HTML 5 client for everything that you can. Use the flash client if you must. I think you're getting a bit confused here.
There are two options for VCentre - On windows or on an appliance, the VCentre install on Windows is largely end of life so you're better off installing the appliance. As for the thick client (Sometimes called the C# client or the installable client), that is also end of life. Now, there are also two web clients - the flash version that has all the functionality of the thick client and is horrible to use and the HTML 5 client which has 80% or so of all the functionality of the flash version and is simply gorgeous and lovely. To complicate things further - the HTML 5 client is only available on VCentre 6.5, it's possible to use on 6.0 via fling (VMware beta type software).
It is not possible to use on 5.5 which only has the flash client. In short, move to 6.5, install the VCSA appliance and use the HTML 5 client for everything that you can. Use the flash client if you must.
Ok.thinking we are in our LAST year with VmWare. Updated my hosts to 6.0.0 along with vcenter, two sites, along with srm 6.1.
So I can at least stay in a 'supported' state, after coming off 5.1. Big Big BIG mistake.
BIG The ONLY way to config SRM6.1 is using the Web Client. Ok.lets go and do that. 4 clicks to get to the web client login.hit login button.after 2:32 min, I finally got to a blue screen with an hour glass.
At 2:45 i get some ridiculous pop up about Firefox crap when I am using Internet Explorer.holly Batman. At 3:40 min, I am finally logged into the Web Client. Shittiest programming on earth or what??
Seriously.and you think this is the way to go?? How is this the better way to manage vmware?? Bring back the FAT CLIENT and shelf this other garbage.
The flash web client in 6.0 is slow, but it's not THAT slow. You either need to provide more resources to the VM running vcenter or you've got an issue worth taking to VMware support. If you're not using the vcenter appliance (VCSA), you might as well switch to it now. As mentioned by another poster, the Windows based vcenter is being dropped soon. By the way, vcenter 6.5u1 offers an almost fully functional HTML5 interface that is significantly faster than the flash interface.
I don t know about SRM6.1 but almost everything can now be managed in the HTML5 interface and it is almost as responsive as the native app was. HOWIEDOG wrote: Updated my hosts to 6.0.0 along with vcenter, two sites, along with srm 6.1. So I can at least stay in a 'supported' state, after coming off 5.1. You did an upgrade and purposely chose a release that is over 2 years old? Why did you go to 6.0 rather than 6.5? Your missing out on the HTML5 host client, the HTML5 vCenter Server, the removal of the inventory service (the real reason the web client was always dog slow), and massive under the hood improvements in API's. HOWIEDOG wrote:Seriously.and you think this is the way to go??
How is this the better way to manage vmware?? It's not it's being deprecated and the next release will be the last version that it ships with the HTML5 being hte default.
Engineering is under orders to not ship new features with it. The bigger question is why are you using it over the HTML5 client, and using 6.5? HOWIEDOG wrote:Bring back the FAT CLIENT and shelf this other garbage. TECHNICALLY there was a web client before the fat client if we go to ESX days.
The fat client is a mess. C# fronting a caching engine of hundreds of thousands of propritary non-standard API calls kludged through the inventory service. It's 10 years of technical debt that has to be torched for a future. Long live standard API's. Long live PowerCLI. Long Live HTML5.
DEATH TO FLASH. VCenter, 12GB of ram, 4 cpu's.and web interface still a pig.just configuring SRM is a chore. After every change I have to refresh to see changes.on both sites.
I choose to install THIS version because I don't like what I see with 6.5 I did install the v6 Appliance which was a joke and a waste of time, once I realized I STILL need Windows for VUM.(so in other words, there was no point in installing this POS appliance) if running VUM. Load WINDOWS version.Done!
So lets see.how confident are we about 6.5, lets do some reading. This document describes the 'KNOWN ISSUES' with 6.5. Maybe.vmware should fix these instead of building a new version??? Oh I forgot, they are fast becoming clones of Microsoft.
Lets just release our stuff with a bunch of bugs.and never fix them but instead we will build yet another version/flavour, call it something cool, and charge a lot of money for it. We deployed vcsa 6.5 a couple of months ago, new build and I have to tell you.this release is actually much worse than 6.0U3. In fact, it sucks so bad I don't even want to be a vmware admin anymore.
Granted, I can do a lot with powercli, but I have to support this POS for my team and console users. Between the recent tasks pane that stops updating (requiring me to log out and back in) and the crazy slow browser (even on Chrome and Firefox), it's just painful. And it does not matter how much resources we throw at the bloody thing. EDIT and we are running U1 as of a month ago. I performed a migration from vCenter Appliance 5.5 to vCSA 6.5. The problems began pretty much immediately. SLOOWWWWW slow slow.
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Timeout errors all over the place. We struggled for weeks with frustration. Tried IE, Chrome, Firefox, tried HTML5 and Flash. Some days it was not even usable and others it was just good enough to get. It's pretty much the same story as I've read on so many Google results. We were ready to give up and go back to the 5.5 appliance.
Who cares if it's EOL this year, the 6.5 was practically unusable. A disaster recovery would have been impossible. 5.5 would have at least gotten us by long enough to switch to Hyper-V. We don't have a huge domain, 400 users and our VMware environment is 12 hosts. But check this out; The problems stopped immediately after we removed our LDAP identity source. Seriously, that's all I did. There are only three of us that manage vSphere so we switched to local authentication and have our usernames in the vsphere.local domain.
Currently I have no plans to re-enable LDAP as an identity source. I hope this helps another sysadmin. This was one of the most frustrating problems of my relatively short tenure, but the solution is simple enough it could help you too. Fenderrocker wrote: I performed a migration from vCenter Appliance 5.5 to vCSA 6.5.
The problems began pretty much immediately. SLOOWWWWW slow slow. Timeout errors all over the place. We struggled for weeks with frustration. Tried IE, Chrome, Firefox, tried HTML5 and Flash. Some days it was not even usable and others it was just good enough to get.
It's pretty much the same story as I've read on so many Google results. We were ready to give up and go back to the 5.5 appliance. Who cares if it's EOL this year, the 6.5 was practically unusable. A disaster recovery would have been impossible. 5.5 would have at least gotten us by long enough to switch to Hyper-V.
We don't have a huge domain, 400 users and our VMware environment is 12 hosts. But check this out; The problems stopped immediately after we removed our LDAP identity source. Seriously, that's all I did. There are only three of us that manage vSphere so we switched to local authentication and have our usernames in the vsphere.local domain. Currently I have no plans to re-enable LDAP as an identity source. I hope this helps another sysadmin.
This was one of the most frustrating problems of my relatively short tenure, but the solution is simple enough it could help you too. Fender I vaguely remember seeing PR filed for this. Might check with GSS if there is a fix (I think there was a workaround at least, to reduce the scanning range). I know some (large organizations with 100+ users in LDAP) requested this.
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